Monday, June 25, 2007

Censorship in Plumstead part 2

Don't worry I am not entering into a blogging war with The Last Boy Scout as that would be really boring, all is over, but in reading the explanation he posted on his blog, he included a link to David Gold's blog, he being the Prospective parliamentary candidate for the Conservatives in Eltham. I have to say that readers will have probably noticed that I am not a natural Conservative and I have to say that I have never yet voted for them, but never say never in my book and sometimes a change in government is necessary, nevertheless I found it to be quite readable, it made a good attempt to be balanced, I even agreed with a few things! He also had some generous and kind words to say about the recently deceased Labour MP for Ealing.

I have to say that to my mind this was very much how I think a Political Blog should be, obviously it will make the case for a particular point of view, but in the process seeks to explain and persuade. A cynic might say 'oh well, it's only because the guy wants to get elected', but I am not as cynical as you might believe. I have to say I liked his Blog so why don't you have a look and decide for yourself. David Gold's blog

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Saturday, June 23, 2007

Censorship in Plumstead

Had a look at a local blog The Last Boy Scout and saw that on of my comments had been removed by the author. Now that is fair enough, it is in to power of the author to do so, but in the interests of free speech I thought I would try to go over the issues as fairly as I can so that anyone reading this can make up their own mind.
I have to say the blog in question is not one I read on a regular basis as I find its one sidedness somewhat tedious. The author is a conservative and tends to comment only on politics, and then it seems to me only to mirror whatever ill-informed claptrap he has read that day in the Daily Mail. So you are unlikely to actually get anything witty, thought provoking, or indeed anything that adds to or even resembles reasoned debate. Nevertheless I did have a scan through the other day and found a comment on moves by Tory peers to limit Ken Livingstone to two terms in office. If you have friends and a social life I put up the following quote from 'The Guardian Unlimited' on the 20th June to fill you in:

Mayor of London
The Lords voted to limit the mayor of London to two terms of office - a move which would bar Ken Livingstone from seeking re-election next year. Voting was 177 to 159 during the Greater London authority bill's report stage. But it is expected that the government will seek to reverse this move in the Commons.

For the Tories, Baroness Hanham, saying she was not referring to Mr Livingstone, told peers: "The office of mayor now in this country is the nearest thing we have to a dictator. There is very little that can stop the Mayor doing what he wants to do."

The The Last Boy Scout commented thus on his blog:

'Please let it be true

I have just spotted on the SKY News "Breaking News" strapline that the House of Lords has just voted to restrict the Mayor of London to two terms in office. If I read that correctly, that means that London could finally be rid of Ken!

Please, Please, Please be true.

Update: It's mostly true, as the BBC has tonight reported. The Lods did vote for an amendment to the GLA bill, call for the term of Mayor to be capped. I just hope it becomes law, London derserves better.'

To which I posted this comment, which is still there intact:

'I think Ken is quite capable of imploding of his own volition, it really doesn't need a bunch of unelected nobodies in the House of Lords, to try to deprive Londoners of their democratic rights to chose who they want to be Mayor of London'

I then noticed the previous blog entry on The Last Boy Scout it was about freeing prisoners early, the first line was:

'"Free them", that's the answer from the UNELECTED Secretary of State Lord Falconer.'

So I decided to post a further comment, (so far, in the interests of accuracy I have been able to copy and paste). However I cannot do this in this case because the comment was binned, so I will attempt to quote it as accurately as I can recall (and should I comment again on The Last Boy Scout I now know I have to keep a record). My comment was:

'I see from your previous post you comment on the UNELECTED Lord Falconer, I presume from your use of capitals that you disapprove of people who are unelected having power and making decisions, at least Lord Falconer is part of an elected government. The unelected Tory peers who seek to deny Londoners their democratic rights are part of a Conservative Party that has not won a General Election for 15 years. I have to say that your sheer hypocrisy is only matched by your political bigotry.'

It seems that The Last Boy Scout could not cope with this criticism and had to delete the comment. He also removed the link to my blog, but as I am a tolerant kind of fellow, I have added a link to his on mine. It's a shame he couldn't manage a response, but his response (or lack of it) did not surprise me, and this is why I think he reacted as he did:

Now I like Politics, I have a degree in it. But I cannot stand people who are completely one sided. Nearly all political parties have good and bad people, the competent and incompetent. They have good policies and bad policies, things they do well and things they cock up. No one party has a monopoly on good sense and people who slavishly and unquestioningly follow one side while hurling juvenile insults at the other are no better than the moronic football fan who cannot appreciate good play by the opposition.

I would go further, the danger these people pose is their fanaticism. The inability to comprehend another's point of view and to have the humility to recognise that they may be wrong is the root of dictatorship, intolerance, and persecution. It doesn't matter if they are, Muslim extremists, evangelical Christians, the Catholic Church, rabid little Englander Tories, the BNP or a bunch of left wing nutters, the danger they pose is always the same, they are so sure they are right and all that oppose them are evil, that they are prepared to do anything to try and get there own way.

Now I am sure the The Last Boy Scout is a lovely fellow and kind to animals and children...but, after all Hitler was a vegetarian...

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Friday, June 22, 2007

Plumstead Sunset

From my spare bedroom














Saturday, June 16, 2007

Things I would like to know the answer to...
but don't (part 4)

Given all the CCTV cameras on the Glyndon Estate, how did they fail to capture the moronic Chav's who were riding round on/dumped this?


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Things I would like to know the answer to...

but don't (part 3)

How many lives do Sleeping Policemen save and how many do they kill by delaying ambulances, is there a net gain or loss? Is it we value young people (more likely to get run over) more highly than old people (more likely to need an ambulance)?
I have to declare a personal interest here, when, foolishly I stepped out into the road aged 11, into the path of a speeding Austin Maxi, I only had enough time to take one step, In that road today the traffic has been slowed by 'traffic calming', I would have taken two steps, so instead of sitting on the verge looking down at a foot pointing sideways at an impossible angle, I would have been under or over the car and very probably dead.

There is actually another thing I want to know here. Why is it the drivers fault even if he is speeding? My first words to poor Maxi driver were 'it's not your fault' I was the one who stepped out without looking, and all I could think about was how awful it must be for the driver to have knocked down a kid. So I told my Dad later on that day that it was my fault and he told the Police not to pursue it.
This contrasts with the husband of a friend of mine who was not speeding when a child ran straight out into his path without looking and the dirty little money grabbing parents are trying to get as much filthy lucre as they can. (child suffered no lasting damage btw). Why do some people always have to blame someone else? Sometime things are our own fault and I was always taught to own up and deal with it.

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Things I would like to know the answer to...

but don't (part 1)

While being well aware of the fashion disasters of my youth, the flares of the mid 70's spring immediately and painfully to mind, one thing I really cannot understand is the need for today's youf to expose their under garments and have the crotch of their trousers somewhere around their knees. Quite apart from being rather unsightly, it must be murder trying to escape from the police on foot when you have trapped your hips in a straitjacket, no wonder the prisons are full to bursting point.

Sunday, June 10, 2007


Plumstead 19 years on


Was reading the other day about the polish gentleman who woke up recently from a coma, 19 years after being hit by a train. He awoke to a completely changed world of democracy, NATO and EU membership for his country. It got me thinking, what if the poor fellow had been knocked down by a 53 bus up by Plumstead Common? and awoke in 2007, what changes would he notice? Would he notice any?

Politically of course there are changes nationally, but locally it's still a Labour council 19 years on. The area is probably a bit richer overall, as is the country. There are mobile phones, the internet (couldn't do this 19 years ago), but these changes are world wide, I am thinking, how has Plumstead changed (if at all!).

The first thing to say is if our fictitious victim was hit by a 53 bus, if it was before the 19th Nov. 1988. he would have been done in by a routemaster, so he would awake to a one person operated bus (though I think you were allowed to call it one man operation back then).
Once on the bus, I expect he would notice the hoards of brats travelling for free, and the inability to see out of the windows due to the amount of vandalism/graffiti.

Outside would be the proliferation of traffic calming measures, including the sleeping policeman, no doubt he would also become aware that the police themselves are actually asleep when it comes to policing the roads. Having left it up to speed cameras, and surrendered the roads to anarchy.

I guess the amount of cameras spying on us generally, in shops, council estates etc. would also come as a bit of a shock.

But what else is different? There is a shiny new Police Station, apparently with fabulous facilities for the officers, now someone more cynical than I might suggest that's why you rarely see them on the streets. The tennis courts have been done up. PCEG would be new to him, they started in 1991, (they get very upset if you don't mention them), but would someone notice them in 2007.

Can't think of any other buildings of note having gone up since 1988 in Plumstead.

I have it, the thing you would notice, is all the Pole's living here! Didn't get that in 1988.

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Thursday, June 07, 2007

Bad Behaviour part 3

Got my House insurance renewal quote through this week, now mine is set up so it just comes out of the bank, that way you don't really have to think about it......BAD MOVE. This time I did have a look at it at it had got up by £200, now I haven't made a claim, in fact I have owned my house for nearly 21 years and I have never claimed on my house insurance, so what could possibly justify a premium increase of such an amount, taking it to over £700?

I resolved to phone up 'Direct Line' (owned by RBS, profits last year £8.2bn a 16% increase) to find out, I was greeted by a very personable young lady, who on finding that I was proposing to no longer avail myself of said insurance immediately offered me £70 off the cost, while being polite to the young lady as it wasn't her fault that her employers are a bunch of unscrupulous conmen. I declined the opportunity to continue give them my business. Inside however I was absolutely seething, basically what had happened was that they were relying on my loyalty and slothfulness to shaft me good and proper! If they can give me £70 off they shouldn't bloody well have tried to charge me it in the first place.

I also object to being made to haggle, I am sorry but we hear a lot about peoples culture these days, well I find haggling is not part of my culture, if I ask what the price of something is, that's what I want to know, I don't what to find out what someone thinks they can get away with charging me, hoping I don't notice it is overpriced, I want to know what if costs so that I get what I want and they make a reasonable profit. Having to be made to haggle and having your loyalty kicked back in your face if you don't, is NOT English.

UPDATE Went to Confused.com and got buildings and contents insurance for £210! that's over £500 less than direct Line wanted to charge, so it pays to shop around.

It reminded me of all the comments about ignorant, selfish, greedy people that have been a recent feature of this blog. It seems to me that if we are going to complain about chavs, thugs, some people with 4x4's, those playing music on the Bus and all those other aggravations, we should also have a look at how the selfishness inherent in the worst of capitalism helps to promote a society which is only out for itself and to hell with all the rest. A culture of anything I can get away with is all right so long as I don't get caught. Probably the financial services industry has to be the worst offender in this respect.

Some of these scams, you will be aware of others not, but these are just some of the things that I know about.

The great mortgage exit fee con, where they bumped up the fee for paying off your mortgage, in some cases by up to 6x's.
I Quote;
'Why have lenders increased MEAFs so much? I believe it's part of an increasing attempt to gemmy the competitive mortgage market. As many best buy tables work on the 'lowest interest rates', lenders have deliberately kept rates low, but increased fees to pay for it; so they look cheap, even when they're not. Yet it now turns out, with MEAFs anyway, this simply isn't allowed.

As well as MEAFs, the same's true with application fees among others, which a few years ago were typically £300, but are now often £600 - £1,000. For this reason you should be very careful when choosing a mortgage

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The bank charges con ( not that this one ever caught me out as I was only once charged anything which was back in the 80's, I challenged it and got the money back, though not an admission that it was a con, that took another 20 years and the FSA), whereby those who got into financial difficulty, often through no fault of their own had misery heaped upon misery as each little infraction brought charge after charge down on their heads.


The endowment miss selling scandal which actually has more than one angle to it, the bit that is well known is that if you didn't realise that your return was not guaranteed then you could get compensation. What is less well known, and you can't get any redress for, is that in many endowments, some of of your profits had been promised to other people in the form of guarantees so if growth was less than expected then your profits get paid to others, I for one would never have taken out an endowment policy if I had been told that. In addition if you knew that the investment was in shares did you then know that the company can shift that money into something else, fundamentally changing the nature of the investment and lowering the potential for growth and there is nothing you can do about it, you can't even get your money out , because they impose exit penalties. They also often make this shift when shares are at their lowest point, even the most incompetent financial advisor knows you don't sell at the bottom of the market. You then flog the whole lot off to another company, which asset strips the funds and you wash your hands of the whole matter and change your brand name to 'more than' and hope the great British public don't realise that you are really Royal Sun Alliance (profits £780m), who shafted several million clients a few years earlier.


I could go on, Pensions, manipulation of interest rates to widen margins etc, etc.

I quote
'Finally, it's worth noting that mortgage lenders often use changes in the base rate to fatten their profits by improving their margins. For example, in 1989, when the base rate hit 15% a year, the typical SVR was around 15.4%. In other words, most lenders got by on the slimmest of lending margins: just 0.4% about the base rate. These days, mortgage lenders are milking loyal borrowers by charging SVRs around 2% above the base rate, the profits of which then help to fund attractive deals to new borrowers. So much for rewarding loyal customers!'

Thought I would finish by explaining a few banking terms:

Established banking practice = we have got away with this particular scam for years, so why the hell are you complaining now.

Self regulation = one bunch of cheats get together with others to learn better ways of conning people without getting found out.

Terms and conditions = All list of some of the ways we can shaft our customers and get away with it.

Balance transfer fees= a way of charging interest on 0% balance transfers.


I could go on, my personal list of con merchants I have come across, HBOS(profits £5.7bn, up 19%), RBS('RBS profit for 2007 'set to top £10.3bn'), Royal Sun Alliance, Abbey, and a few that are not banks BT (profits £2.5bn, up 15%), British Gas (owned by Centrica, profits £1.4bn), EDF, what do you think, am I being unfair?


Good Behaviour (part 1)


My friend, colleague and local resident Sue has just come back from Scotland having raised money for the Unison 'Bucket and Spade appeal'. Which raises money for hard pushed families to go on holiday. It's one of those interesting things that while most of us are able to go on more and more holidays and short breaks etc. the % of people who have no holiday has barely changed over the last 30 years, obviously some of those are people who just don't like holidays! But a good few are those people at the bottom of the income pile, who haven't benefited from the last 15 years of growth in the economy, and/or are people whose family circumstances are such that they can't go on holiday. Perhaps they have carer responsibilities etc. and it is those people that the appeal is designed to help. Unions often come in for a load of stick in the media, some of it perhaps even justified, so all the good things that they do sometimes get overlooked, and as a lot of Unison members are low paid this is a good example of one of those good things.

Sue has kindly sent me a little journal of her trip which I have reproduced below. I am not writing this to ask for money for the appeal as this is a Plumstead blog and not a charity blog, but I do think it's nice once in a while to find out a bit about the good things that local people do for others, so well done to Sue. Got a bit of an update, Sue has raised over £1000 for the appeal over the last 2 years, which when you take into account the fact that the average holiday arranged costs a bit over £400, then 2 families have Sue to thank for their holiday! Oh and by the way, Sue pays all her own expenses for the trip, as do all the people raising money for the appeal so all the money raised goes to people who would benefit from a break.

Unison Charity Walk for the Bucket and Spade Appeal

Thanks everyone for contributions to the Unison Bucket and Spade Appeal. So far in four years they have raised about £250,000.

Can’t say how much I enjoyed the walk – it was great and I loved every minute. The group were fun, interesting and easy to get along with. The two who arranged must have worked very hard as if ran smoothly although we were moving about, catching ferries and driving to the next hostel. The support team – van and bus drivers were fun and hard working.

The first day we walked through Forestry Commission land around Loch Shiel near Glenfinnan for 16 miles in about 5 hours excluding the 20 minutes to eat lunch – we might have taken a bit longer but the midges started to bite some of the walkers.

We then drove to Mallaig to catch the ferry to Armdale on the Isle of Skye and then drive to Uig Youth Hostel.

On the Friday we walk 11 miles and the first thing you notice about Skye is there are no trees as it is so windy. There are plenty of small wild flowers on the moors. That evening we catch the ferry stay on the Uists – North Uist, Benbecula and South Uist -where we stay in a hotel. This hotel has the strangest menu due, we believed to the fact that they grow very little on the island and everything is shipped in. The soil is so sandy that the crops that do grow there are very specialised.

Saturday and Sunday we walk on Uists and sometimes have to drive across the sand at low tide to get to the islands. Two different walks on both days each walk of about 5 miles or more. These walks cover wind swept beaches, moor lands and cliffs.

A six o’clock start is not welcome but we had to catch the early ferry to Oban – a 6 hour crossing. After lunch a walk of about 5 miles around the Black Lochs.

Up early again on Monday for the ferry to Mull. After dropping off our bags it’s off to Garmony for the start of the walk which will take us to Tobermory (aka Ballamory). The first half of the walk is through the most beautiful woods – tall pine trees and thick, thick mosses like huge green cushions. We detour into the woods to see the remains of an old settlement dated approximately 1760. The walls of the buildings have collapsed and covered in the think mosses. We walked on to Tobermory with the painted houses, on through the town and up over windswept cliff tops. A hard climb up and then back down into the town. Back to the hostel to pack for the next day, a quick wash and off to our last meal.

Wednesday we are up early to get to the airport to catch flights home.

Saturday, June 02, 2007


Bad Behaviour (part 2)


Had this excellent comment from Hugh, who writes the entertaining blog arthurpewtys.... on my previous post.

'I am strongly of the opinion that society is divided and that divide is getting wider. Without getting into sociological claptrap, I feel we have a population that is comprised of normal people (IE - you and I and our friends and peer group) and Scum. Nothing whatsoever to do with race, orientation, belief (or not) system - purely the fact that there is a significant chunk of the population who think that they are entitled to everything and need to pay back nothing.'

Aside from the fact I couldn't have put it better myself, I think this really sums up an unfortunate truth, most of us just want to get on with life, not causing offence or upset to others, but a few people really don't give a shit about the effect their actions have on those around them. Saw a brilliant example of this divide up on the Common this morning.

Chelsea, prone to premature retaliation!
Now I have to exercise Chelsea in a place where you can control her access to other dogs, as she is a little too keen to get her retaliation in first, so we go to a fenced in bit of Plumstead Common, next to the Tennis Courts. That way she can run around and not upset anyone else.

The Tennis Courts
The Tennis Courts are well used, especially on a Saturday morning, on the court nearest me were 3 black men, happily enjoying a bit of exercise. Also at that end of the Tennis Courts are the 2 gates, one on either side. People who are not playing Tennis often use these gates as a cut through, to save going round all 4 courts. Now first of all, I only cut through there if no one is playing because it is just plain rude to disturb someone's game just to save yourself a minute. Other people are less considerate. a swarthy looking white guy on a bike decides to cut through, disturbing the Black guys game, he leaves the gate open on his way in, the black guys say nothing, he holds up their game going through, the black guys say nothing, he leaves the gate open on the way out, one of the black guys, no doubt exasperated asks him very politely to close the gate (otherwise the balls fly out through the hedge and on to the old bowling green!) . The first response was a muffled grunt of 'why man'. Again the black guy politely asks him to close the gate, more incomprehensible grunts emanated from the swarthy white slob on the bike. At which point, and I don't blame him in the slightest, the black guy said
'oh fuck you'
and realising that there is no point in reasoning with the unreasonable, carried on with his game. the reply from swarthy white guy was,
'Fuck you, I'm Albanian'.
So apparently, being Albanian explains why you are an anti-social little shit!
I have to say I know who I would want to live next door to, and it ain't swarthy white guy.


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Friday, June 01, 2007

Bad Behaviour

Seen and heard about a couple of quite bits of quite appalling behaviour this week. The first was one I saw on Plumstead Common on Wednesday evening, while giving Chelsea and Charlton their evening constitutional. There was a bunch of Chavs and Chavesses, loitering around the Common, riding around on one of those mini motorbikes, which is stupid, illegal and dangerous enough.

However one of the illiterate, uneducated chavess scum, a slapper in her 20's (that or she has had a very hard life, on her back no doubt), was careering round on aforementioned illegal machine, with a small child, no more than 3 years old, perched on the front handlebars. If it was hers, she is obviously a quite unfit parent and surely it's about time such children are removed from such people and flogged off to someone with a bit more responsibility.

Sell it on!!
Such a course of action would have at least 2 notable benefits, it would help to reduce the future size of the Prison population and the money raised could be put towards a lovely tax cut for me.

The other bit of bad behaviour was even worse, my friend Marcus was in Woolwich on Thursday having done a bit of Shopping. and he had just got into his Cab, which he had booked with Com Cab to take him home.

Now Marcus has Multiple Sclerosis, so he needs to get cabs to get out and about as it is really difficult for him to walk any distance. Three Black women with two babies in buggies decide that they were entitled to take the Cab that Marcus had booked, so they literally pulled him out of the Cab and threw him to the floor along with his shopping and got in. Luckily the cabbie, who is a really nice guy and often takes Marcus around and about, had the presence of mind to lock the doors and call the Cops, who to their credit were there before Marcus had picked himself up off the floor. It seems to me that such behaviour, though shocking is all too prevalent, the attitude that some people have, that they can have what they want, when they want and anyone who gets in the way, then that's just two bad. God knows what the babies are going to end up like with Mothers like that. Unfortunately, but rather typically the women then tried to claim that racism lay at the heart of their actions, claiming that Marcus had made racist remarks, the truth was that he did not even know they were there, until he was attacked.


This reminds me of something I saw on a 171 bus a few months back. The driver noticed that a black lady had got on and not paid, he refused to drive on until she did, she claimed that he was only picking on her because she was Black, he pointed out that he was, in fact picking on her because, unlike the other passengers on the bus she had not paid her fare. Eventually she stumped up the cash, while still insisting that the demand for payment was part of a racist conspiracy against her. Then, with the cheers of those black and white passengers who had paid their fare ringing in his ears, the black bus driver got back in his cab and resumed the journey.

MY DAD

Every Thursday I go and see my Dad, we have a chat, a nice meal, a glass of wine. I look forward to it, he is a lovely man and we get on really well. So I got really annoyed last night when I found out that he was being accused of racism. Especially when I found out that those making the accusation didn't have the gumption to do so to his face, but instead started a wispering campaign behind his back.

To explain, I need to give a little background, my Dad is a very helpful obliging chap and very active in his community. One (of the many) things he is a member of is his local (CofE) Church, All Saints Upper Norwood. Now to celebrate St Georges day back in April they had a fun Social event, my Dad got asked to do a bit of entertainmet for it. He didn't want to, he feels that at 79 he may be getting a bit old for this kind of thing, but he was prevailed upon. So he found a really amusing monologe to do, about english schools (will post this later, when I find a copy) and a Flanders and Swan song 'A Song of Patriotic Prejudice' The lyrics of which I have reproduced below. In deciding if the song is racist you should note that Donald Swan was born in Wales to Russian parents!
It is a completely tounge-in-cheek piece of fun, he got the audience to sing along to the corus... The English The English...etc. Now the Welsh, Scots, Irish people in the audience were not offended, neither were the ladies from France or Greece or the German gentleman who was also there. Now, one particular person from an ethnic group which was not even mentioned or alluded to in the song decided to take offence and started ringing up friends to put it about that this was some sort of appalling piece of racism, though not having the guts to say anything to my Dad's face. What is wrong with people that they can't have a bit of fun, are they so insecure that they think a silly song extolling the virtues of the English is some sort of BNP anthem. It was St Georges Day. It was Fun. Some people need to get over themselves. What do you think?




The English, the English, the English are best
I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest.

The rottenest bits of these islands of ours
We've left in the hands of three unfriendly powers
Examine the Irishman, Welshman or Scot
You'll find he's a stinker, as likely as not.

Och aye, awa' wi' yon Edinburgh Festival

The Scotsman is mean, as we're all well aware
And bony and blotchy and covered with hair
He eats salty porridge, he works all the day
And he hasn't got bishops to show him the way!

The English, the English, the English are best
I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest.

Ah hit me old mother over the head with a shillelagh

The Irishman now out contempt is beneath
He sleeps in his boots and he lies through his teeth
He blows up policemen, or so I have heard
And blames it on Cromwell and William the Third!

The English are noble, the English are nice,
And worth any other at double the price

Ah, iechyd da

The Welshman's dishonest and cheats when he can
And little and dark, more like monkey than man
He works underground with a lamp in his hat
And he sings far too loud, far too often, and flat!

And crossing the Channel, one cannot say much
Of French and the Spanish, the Danish or Dutch
The Germans are German, the Russians are red,
And the Greeks and Italians eat garlic in bed!

The English are moral, the English are good
And clever and modest and misunderstood.

And all the world over, each nation's the same
They've simply no notion of playing the game
They argue with umpires, they cheer when they've won
And they practice beforehand which ruins the fun!

The English, the English, the English are best
So up with the English and down with the rest.

It's not that they're wicked or natuarally bad
It's knowing they're foreign that makes them so mad!

For the English are all that a nation should be,
And the flower of the English are Donald (Michael)Donald (Michael) and Me!

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